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I will say that the pro-Central, anti-Central crowd is like the Obama vs. the right agenda. It’s all so precise, nobody will give an inch.
Nobody can sit in the middle. Say 99 good things about Central and one, “Eh” comment and you feel the wrath of what one CC guy once dubbed lovingly the, “Central mafia.”
On the other hand, there are coaches in the area that still call me, the “Central guy” because I went there back in the days of the Sugarhill Gang and Space Invaders. Yikes, am I old.
(CC folks, read the whole next paragraph, all of it, before you pick up the phone, please!!!)
Does Central recruit? Yes. It recruits students. Smart kids, athletes, drama candidates, musicians, skateboarders, bookworms, computer geniuses, any eighth graders it can find. It recruits everyone. Why, there’s that monthly tuition bill to deal with. You have to recruit.

As budgets tighten, look at Haverhill for one, the advantage Central and all the private high schools have could grow.
Affluent towns like Andover will always compete, I look at Fazio’s program and Mags’ baseball program as the two leaders. Andover, for the most part, has kept kids at home. Why, the school system has money, has done a great job with programs and facilities and they keep the environment positive.
Same with NA, although it just has a lower enrollment, so it really will never play up to D1 levels consistently. Still at its class, NA should be good, new school, new facilities, solid learning infrastructure.
Haverhill, and to a lesser extent, Methuen, for two towns, lead the more blue-collar towns that really could tumble, even further.
Does any kid in Haverhill really aspire to wear Brown-and-Gold?
“Yay, I can pay big money ($350 a sport I believe) to play on decrepit, horrendously kept fields, and go to school in an ugly, outdated high school.”
Sorry.
Places like Haverhill and again, to a lesser extent, Methuen, have used the excuses instead of fighting to be better against Central.
Paul Neal gets handed a raw deal, often at Lawrence.
The Boys Club does its best to direct top student athletes away from LHS, either to prep schools or Central Catholic and even more recently to school-choice towns like Georgetown. It’s a fact. The LBC is doing its best for the kids and it’s to be commended, but it hurts LHS an awful lot.
Paul stopped complaining a long time ago. He takes the kids who he has, who look like they want to be part of his program and fights for them 24/7.
You don’t think a Jonathan Cruz, Adrian Gonzalez or Dan O’Shea, all Lawrence kids, might have tilted the scales against CC if they went to LHS? Paul just puts his head down and fights, for his kids.
Do we get that, not just in hoop but in all sports, in Haverhill and Methuen?
Right now, Pat Graham is just beginning to fight huge Central ties to Methuen Pop Warner. But he needs the whole community to fight with him.
Same thing in Haverhill, where Mike Trovato is finding plenty of walls in his road to build youth programs.
Other than a handful of new travel teams, Haverhill doesn’t have a city-run hoop program. It’s a joke but the city powers don’t care.
The anti-Central clan can stop whining now and do something about evening that playing field.
I’ve never bought the “drawing from all these towns” argument.
1,000 kids from Methuen should be the same as 1,000 kids from methuen, salem, Haverhill, lawrence, NA, Andover, Windham, Pelham, etc.
Do you ever hear E.J. Perry whine about not having Carson? The guy just won back-to-back state titles and is favored for a third.
Do you ever hear Todd Kress about Billy Marsden or my man Ryan Wholey who graduated from BG a couple years ago?
Nope, Pelham’s got a state title, three finals appearances and a Lowell Christmas tourney title, beating SJP and where he beat the big boys.
I don’t hear Barry Chooljian and the Timberlane wrestling program crying because he lost a potential state champ in Shain Jowett to Central.
He just goes out, schedules the Raiders, and puts them on their backs. It’s the best recruiting tool any athletic program can have.
But it takes people willing to fight, not whine.
I’m going to point to Methuen for my final point and step onto the ice for a minute. Methuen has one of the deepest, well-entrenched youth hockey systems on the planet. i skated in it when I was 8. It’s huge.
The school has its own on-campus rink. There is no reason, none, that Methuen shouldn’t be like Chelmsford and Billerica and hockey. You can lose players to prep schools and Central like everyone else does. Methuen should be Reading.
Instead, it’s a program that has fallen into disarray in the last decade or more.
The reason for that is someone stopped caring, be it the slew of coaches that have run through there or whoever. Somewhere along the way, somebody stopped trying, really trying.
You have your own rink and a feeder system.

If I was someone in Haverhill, Methuen, Salem or wherever, who actually cared about the high school student-athletes, I’d be calling Tewksbury, a modest little town that somehow keeps the bulk of its talent (Other than all those talented Kobelski brothers) home.
The athletes play three sports, they go on to college, and yes, they compete with the big boys, maybe not in hoop but check out baseball and football, track, check out the girls sports, year in and year out Tewksbury,the smallest school in the MVC.
If I cared, and wasn’t just about taking the loud mouth route, I’d look at how Tewksbury succeeds, how they treat the kids in junior high, how they build community feeling, and what the educators are doing there.
I’d stop complaining. While it makes for lively blog talk, it does no good.
That’s my last, let’s get into the conference season.

  • Ken

    Hector,
    You have made some decent points here, but what I think gets people most upset is that Central is in the MVC and competes against many of the schools where kids live. I don’t think that as much would be made of it if they were in a conference with other private schools where they belong. Lawrence and Methuen and Andover could still play them, but in a non-conference contest.
    Also, as for the issue of recruiting. Coaches there need to admit they recruit and quit denying it. Just come clean….but then again they may be hit with some penalties if they do that! And as for recruiting students, please! I can think of several names that weren’t in good academic standing when they entered Central and many that never paid a monthly bill!
    Ken

  • Times have changed

    ” Central Mafia” the mayor of Lawrence, Central grad. The mayor of Methuen Central grad. Both at the Andover/Central XMAS tourney game. Was Billy Manzi at the Methuen game earlier in the afternoon? All the movers and shakers and lawyers on the CCHS board, are you telling me they have no political clout. Be honest!
    You enjoyed a great Xmas tourney in a beautiful, new LHS. I know for a fact that some of those CCHS “mafiosos” were working behind the scenes to stop that building from being built in South Lawrence. Be Honest! I bet when you write anything negetive about CCHS, you hear from them, Be Honest! Again I would respect them more if they just admited it.
    I also am not sure why sending a kid to Georgetown is necessarily better then going to LHS. Do you consider those kids that attend LHS throw aways? Is attending LHS that bad that going to Georgetown is considered doing the best for the kids of Lawrence. If it is really that bad they should just close the doors of LHS and make it Central Catholic.
    Why isn’t the boys club working with LHS. This actually brings up a great point. I hear all the time about their work with the kids of Lawrence. The Boys Club does nothing for Lawrence High. There association with LHS is almost non-existent. Why? Over the years I have attended many Central games and see many Boys club staff in attendance. Why don’t they ever give that support to LHS? There are a lot more Lawrencians at LHS than CCHS. Probably more boys club kids at LHS also. Sacred Cow, I probably shouldn’t be speaking ill of the boys club so I will stop. But, Be Honest!
    EJ doesn’t complain about Carson, Kress doesn’t complain about Marsden. THEY ARE NOT IN THIER LEAGUE. Get out of the MVC I won’t complain about them either. And you use Timberlane wrestling arguably one of the best wrestling programs in New England that challenges them. C’mon your talking apples and oranges. Tewksbury girls are considered one of the best teams in the league this year, Central will, if they haven’t already beat them by 20. Schools in the MVC that want to play them still have the opportunity. How many would? Lawrence, Andover and Lowell. That’s it! Nobody else from the MVC would be calling. If CCHS were not in the league this year Tewksbury girls B-Ball would not be calling. Be Honest!
    I guess I am a loud mouth but I know nothing is changing. It is what it is. But Hector just answer one question, look at the whole league not just the big four, IS IT FAIR? Be honest!

  • James

    You make some great points concerning the user fees and the feeder programs. Lawrence has a great feeder system thanks to the Boys Club and Lawrence, CC and the Preps have been benefitting for years. Towns like Haverhill and Methuen have to step up if they are serious about competing. The kids have to have reasons to want to stay home: Good facilities, a chance to compete in the upper echelon of the league and the opportunity to go on to college. Until the surrounding towns meet all those criteria, they are going to lose some of their best kids to CC. Haverhill is destroying its own athletic program with user fees. Hopefully some alumni will step up and give Coach Trovato the help he needs to implement a feeder system.

  • Times have changed

    Hector just answer the question. In your heart of hearts. Is it Fair? Do you think Central belongs in the league? Yes or No?

  • Leo

    Hector,
    The answer to how a town like Tewksbury somehow keeps the bulk of their talent is simply because they don’t have CCHS sitting in their backyard like Haverhill, Methuen, and obviously Lawrence. The most talented athletes in Tewksbury aren’t going to play sports at Shawsheen Tech, they go to TMHS.
    I hope that the building of the new LHS will keep more of the athletes, but more importantly the good kids attending public school in Lawrence.
    Methuen’s youth leagues in all sports are tremendous. The volunteers at the Neil Playstead, the MYB, the whole Pop Warner program and all the others are just as dedicated as any other town in the area. Methuen’s biggest problem is the old “open style” high school, with no real walls. Many parents in Methuen don’t want their children attending a school where it is easy to lose focus and fall behind. If a new high school was built, I am positive there would be a big difference.
    Central can recruit, take kids from around the region, and do whatever they have to do. That isn’t the problem. They aren’t unbeatable (except maybe in basketball) as many MVC teams have proved in many sports. But like “Times have changed” said, it is simply not right to compete in a league with all public schools. Fill me in if there are any other leagues around like this. Why isn’t CCHS playing with BCH, Xaverian and Malden Catholic?

  • Times have changed

    C’mon Hector, we now they are never leaving but do they belong yes or no? What is YOUR OPINION? This is discussion not whining. That is what the blog is about. Yes or No?

  • Jabba

    Hey, I have an idea, how about if men and women who attended LHS and AHS and MHS go to the Lawrence Boys and Girls Club and work with kids there? How bout volunteering or mentoring the boys and girls. Make the connection with those kids between their hometown school and success in life. Its not hard to do. And guess what, there are plenty of kids who are members of the LBGC who are from Lawrence and Methuen and Andover and Salem and other towns in the MVC. My kids go to the LBGC. We don’t live in Lawrence. No one at the Club has ever tried to “recruit” them to go to Central even though they are decent athletes and students. But guess who they predominantly identify with? Older children and adults from CCHS who come back to the Club to be with the club members. So I say, stop whining and get involved in something bigger than you and your basketball team!!!!

  • Times have changed

    You can talk about all the extraneous circumstances you want to avoid a simple question. Is it fair to ALL the Public Schools in the league? Haverhill’s situation is what it is. Dracut’s situation is what it is. Lawrence’s situation is what it is. Central’s situation is what it is. …You are right and these are the realities. Is it fair? Simple yes or no.
    Bring up all the circumstances you want to try to justify it for yourselves but it comes back to one basic thing. There is one school that gets to draw from numerous communities and it is an unfair advantage no matter how you cut it. Just admit it! Be Honest! Is it Fair! Yes or no? Hector?

  • raideforlife

    That whole Lawrence boys club send kids to Central argument is old and tired. Yes kids from the club do choose to go to Central and have to pass an entrance exam to get in–noone just gets in because they are good at hoops.
    If you have not noticed the head coaches from Andover High (Fazio) and Larence (Neal) and Central (Nault) were all boys club kids in their day. So I don’t see any advantage there as far as connections to the club.
    It is a simple concept… these kids who are good at hoops want to go to a good college and be succesful and it just so happens Central is better at preparing their student athletes for exactly that.

  • Dan

    Of course it is fair for Central to be in the MVC-it is not like they have a greater number of students to make a team from–the public schools all have a greater number of students who attend their schools. Isn’t it funny that you don’t hear anyone from Lowell complaining (which is a huge high school with so many more students than Central)–the Lancers don’t complain either. Good teams/coaches want to play the best teams around-that is how you get better. For the Methuen and Andover babies there is always the Cape Ann league–I am sure you could run the table there.

  • Times have changed

    Raiderforlife,
    hahahahahaha. Believe that no one is steering them towards Central. Again just admit it and I would have more respect for you. I tell you what. Call the AD’s at Dracut, Chelmsford, Tewksbury, Billerica and Lowell ask them off the record and I bet they would all prefer Central to be gone. Central to their credit has to much yank.
    Dan, there is always the Catholic Conference, I bet you couldn’t run the table there.

  • Dan

    Times,
    take a look a CCHS’s schedule every non league game the team plays IS FROM the Catholic Conf. or even a much better out of state team. The MVC is a great league and is very competitive–Lowell and Andover are always ranked right up there in the state, Haverhill has had some really good teams– so of course we want to play them. No one is looking to run the table… but to be the best (come tourney time) you have to play a tough schedule and Central’s has a very tough schedule (Bilric/Dracut/Meth are 3 of 21 games played) Central has one of the toughest schedules in MA.

    –go ask the players on those Dracut, Chelmsford, Tewksbury, Billerica and Lowell teams on or off the record and I bet they all say they WANT to play and hopefully beat Central. What you fail to see is Central Catholic is good for the MVC.
    These complainers only come out every few years when their kid’s team gets beat bad.

  • bob

    Hector
    The point you made about Andover is valid. It’s an affluent town with great sports programs due to hard work and dedication. Good for them. The rest of the article is irresponsible and without merit. Let’s start with your comment about the Methuen Hockey program: “someone stopped caring, be it the slew of coaches who have run through there or whoever.” (It sounds like you really did some research there.) Take a look at what the varsity coach did for the team last year. That’s how you fight for the kids. If you went to the Haverhill-Lawrence game last night and asked “does any kid in Haverhill really aspire to wear Brown-and Gold?”, you’d realize what an irresponsible comment it is.
    “If I was somone in Haverhill, Methuen, Salem, or wherever, who actually cared about the high school student-athletes, I’d be calling Tewksbury”. Not caring? If you were to go to any Menthuen Sporting event, or any event, (a game, awards ceremony, etc.) you’d see the same group of dedicated parents, volunteers, youth and high school coaches who have watched, coached, cheered for and supported the kids , the teams, and the community since their kids learned the team concept. They understand that the sucess of a sports program is not just in building and maintaining a program. It’s life lessons through scholastic athletics; confidence, determination,sportsmanship, to name a few. The lessons are also taught and learned at the same level, from “affluent” Andover all the way down to “blue collar” Methuen and Haverhill. Believe it or not, we even have some three sport athletes who go to college!

  • Times have changed

    I have no kids who have been beat by Central. Isn’t it possible for somone to have an opinion about Central and not be labeled a complainer? I have no right to argue my point, because I’m labeled a complainer. How about this, I honestly believe that Central should play in a Catholic conference and not a public school conference. It doesn’t make me a complainer because I think Central should play against their own.
    I agree that they make the conference attractive but believe it or not the MVC would survive without them. But again I will ask a simple question no-one seems to answer Is It Fair? The reason why because you know it is not!

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